Space Nanotechnology
Introducing Nanotechnology: Is manipulation of matter on moloecular and atomic level.It is a technology of building building bottom up with presicion and molecular control.
Potentential Application: As far as the scope of this area is concerned there are wide range of possiblities sprouting up which can be implemented for portable & affordable space travel.How ever let us limit our scope to advanced materials such as carbon nanotubes (CNT's).
These tubes with diameters of few nanometers as fullerene
derivatives represent pure carbon compounds and they cataforise into following types:
single walled (SWCNT)
multi-walled (MWCNT).
CNT possess unusual mechanical characteristics (on molecular level approx.50 times stronger than steel and outstanding thermal and electricalconductivity).In particular the huge potential for mass savings in space structures makes CNT very interesting for space applications. Due to their special properties, CNT possess numerous application potentials in space. Even NASA has been active in developing and application of CNT based structures sensors and other electronics. A further advantage of CNT composites is that the changes of the mechanical properties of the material can be indicated through changes of the electrical resistance and so possible damages
could in principle be easily detected by simply monitoring the electric conductance of the material.
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perfect. we need a point to start. what should be our first topic?
why not make an industrial complex at the lagrange point
the nuetral magnetic field would allow the cnt's to grow correctly
without the magnet interference of the earths magnetic field you could grow the
tubes and make them uniform
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Belovelife said:
"the nuetral magnetic field" :-S
That's probably neutral gravitational field.
However, I think it's nice idea. So I would love to mention:
#!: Facilities to carry supplies and products back and forth between earth and complex..
i meant that magnetic fields effect the formation of the nano tubes using the nickle/cobolt teqnique, so garavity is a weak force where as magnetism is a strong force
being on the planet
our magnetic field has enought force at the surface that is not uniforn to cause the nano-tube to deform in the production process
hence
being away from the magnetic field with all its inconsitinces (see gravity and megnetic field flux)
may make the industrial process for forming cnt a more conducive envyroment in space, and the lagrange point
is a good place to set up shop because of its nuetral gravitational value
plus it would be fun
peace
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hi, i want to point out one thing. certainly cnt wud grow better at lagrange point, but how wll we be able to have a station at neutral gravity. it need to be under gravitaional force to let revolve around the planet.
well at least semi nuetral, pull equal from 2 points
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swati said... (why is not my shift selection working here?):
"hi, i want to point out one thing. certainly cnt wud grow better at lagrange point, but how wll we be able to have a station at neutral gravity. it need to be under gravitaional force to let revolve around the planet."
If I have not mistaken very much, I think L point also revolves.
For example, the earth-moon L point moves as moon revolves round the earth, and earth revolves round the sun.
Now, in neutral gravity, if we put something, it will be in lowest potential energy. As the point moves, the thing put there may be out of L point, but due to its large size, some part will be still in L point. Now since everything tends to lower down it's potential energy, the thing will also move in such a way, that it's center of mass will slide back to L point.
That's all what I understand about this. Corrections welcome. Thank you.
yes madman, u are right, its the lowest potential point.
Hello there, I got your point now. sorry as I missed it. Go on, tell us more please.
ok on the sam eleve using this teqnique along with carbon deposition
we could manufacture crystal chips with a printed surface as a 3d architecture
then use carbon deposition ( methane , hydrogen, 1350 F, microwave kiln,) to make diamond chips
thus increasing the potential processing power of the technology we have to a multiple of at 10 to 100 times
although i donot know the tolerances of the transistors we use now for heat, but the substate diamonds is more efficient than scillica
(heat tolerances)
but in another way we could produce a wafer of diamonds
and then imprint the chip on them in the same fashon we use for the current tek, but if we could build a 3d architecture and then use carbon deposition, we could have radically more advanced systems built into one chip.. like the whole motherboard, cpu, video, sound and network into one crystal,
that could be hooked up into a lcd or the plastic diode thats in the making, basically increasing operating power and decreasing weight of the computer
just another idea,
i have thousands
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having diamond chips is grt idea coz of its novel properties. still,i have a question ,could u tell which chemical/etcants can be used for making diamond wafers and also we need very high temperature for same. any idea for this energy consumption???
i know we can etch diamonds with a high pressure steam (h20)
cutting system,
as far as energy consumtion
we can always use the solar pannels made by johannas solar to harness lumins from the sun but further i cannot say at this point
unless we get control of our nuclear power, and make the whole process more efficient
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okeys, could we think of some other compound then diamonds that wont require much efforts interms of energy especially. diamond of course gonna b very very expensive else we cud have made them here on earth :)
for what purpose u r aiming to make these crystals. for electronics components ???
can anone give me the idea of temp and pressure we cud have there. how about using some super conductors.
or other semimetals as bismuth that are converted to semimetal-semiconductor when brought down to nanometer scale ,around 50nm.
as far as what i'm talking about
i am saying that using the 0-g of space we can make the arcitexture more efficinet using this teck
diamonds are a good soure\ce considering their heat resistance
plus they are easy to make using the eccess carbon from a colony/space station
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SO it means, a factory in L point, with microproccessor proccessing unit, but what abot material bringing back and forth (earth station transport - will the normal STS things do that?)?
i think we can assemble microprocessor here and then launch and establish at L point. it wou be grt if assembling can be done at moon rather than earth coz of reduced gravitational field.
plus if we assemble in 0 g,
then we can make 3d architexture easier
considering the lack of gravity (this will sound easy be in practice be very complex)
say we have floating points
all these can be stationary in the 0g envyroment
so the whole structure could be formed before the crystal is formed
then we could bring the frozen methane from the earth (oceans/ice) and use the carbon from that source to make the diamonds, then we have a remaining hydrogen source, this could be used for radiation protection or fuel for ion engins
so after we would have 0 waste
although the whole process of making the 3d architexture would be very hard
it would take major calculations for the machines to allow the whole structure to move as one, and move as little as possible
then add a seed diamond and allow to grow
this would establish a economically viable solution for constant space trips
plus you would need a manned station to keep the production facility online
then as a lunar way station we may even be priducing enough
hydrogen to be fueling trips
depends on the amount of these "chips" we make
"crystals"
but even in this situation for more hardcore industrial processes (on the nano level)
we would have to have a facility that is in itseld micro magnetically nuetral
that is to say
all materials have a magnetic field
so depending on the materials each exerts a different magnetic field
so making this field stable is like getting better at measuring things
meter, centimeter, micro meter, nanometer
althought at this moment we are like at the terra meter point, but in the next hundred years, we will advance on this concept also
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i myself have never produced crystals except someproteins in my lab. so i cant say whether the assemblage would b easy there or not.
and i am confused in a basic point here, do we here planning to contruct a lab first at L point and then assembling things over there, i mean microfabrications and all other desired systems?? if so, we shud also consider the things we got to carry for that to initiate.
suppose i carry methane to L point as discussed, where m i going to separate it and where it would b further treated to diamond.
Belovelife, seems you are there now. Right... I didn't remember the 3d architecture earlier, but I think swati's idea on moon may go through another review. I do not want to get things collected from earth in an unsustainable way..........
I think it's about around earth here, Still I think, can't we collect methane from the ch4 seas of Titan?
well collecting from titon may hinder our ability to see a planet evolve on its own
but if we get the methane off our planet then we decrease the chance of global warming
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What is the good way to collect methane from atmosphere industrially?
do we have methane on moon surface??? m not sure. if yes, we can collect methane ther only. seprate it in hydrogen and carbon and then use this hydrogen there to shoot carbon at L point for use. this way we are not hampering earth in any way, secondly, no waste and hydrogen being used for propulsion, so no extra energy input. what u guys say???
Most probably it doesn't I have checked nineplanets, and wikipedia and UFOzone.... but didn't find confirmation of methane's presence on earths moon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon#Regolith
ok. could we use some other compound. though methane is richest for carbon, but can we look in some other compound that is otherwise available in plenty on moon.
ok
on the moon we may have huge veins of graphite
wich could be used for the current syle of chips
but for the 3d architextue
we would need to get methane or something similar
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friends, one thing more. though nanoscience or microfabricaitn is good discission and so the theme of having a orbiter at L point. but we dont have this as a project in SG project list.
I think they will not dump this project. If we can make things going..
yes madman :)so suggest some thing to use instead diamond as i have posted earlier, or if diamond is then can we use some other source compound. and lets work on it with ground base.
After some study, i guess for structural part, we can use C60, C70, C72 and for fine tuning the structure, graphite can work.
BTW we ourselves can develop some new form of C :D
And sorry can't make the numbers subscripted grrr. ~X(
What do yu think?
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sinscillica can handle extreme (boroscyllicate)
mabe as a study of a doping process
we integrate nano teck
using co2 lasers (as we get more efficient)
we can heat a certain area very efficient
similar to the solar pannel process
using this we can proble come up with alot of nice toys
like
say you have a dididium lens tuned to only allow powerful enough signals to esacpe
(light)
then you have 3 lasers
each laser split 3 ways
then using the mirros
you have a 3d grid
as you integrate a matrix of positions
basic refresh rate
then as you cross 3 lasers than you have a holographic image
(using parabolic mirror under a didium lens)
then at the surface you would have an efficient holographic monitor
using 3 colors you can have the spectrum of colors
depending on the tuning of the didium lens
your piture would more or les solid
then at that point
you design a graphics card tro inteface with the device
(basic laser control)
then
you have an html program that can do 3d web pages
and you have internet
then add motion sensors to the monitor (3d peace)
and you now need no mouse
you can use your hand to move in the virtual reality zone created by the 3d peace
ideas
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anything to add?
mow that is on a microcosmal level
go macro
and you have a holographic room
could be good for piece of mind on the moon
you know like a virtual visit home
to friends and family
in real time
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Space Nanosciences has huge potential. It makes it far easier to construct/develop new things/equipments/biological molecules because of its microgravity environment. Yes, we can have nice holographic rooms, toys, 3D structures and many more.
Should we start discussing how can we exploit this science to establish habitat in space or how it can be used efficiently to design and develop basic amenities in space.
We can think of using carbon nanotubes in developing biological systems. Should we talk about plants growth or may be some other basic idea.
first i don't think we should EXPLOIT
i think we should UTILIZE
remember the words you use have meaning
also i think if we genetically engineer palnts to have a higher
silica content in the cell wall
then there would be a point where they could grow wiothout an atmosphere
and mabe release the o2 through the roots
now that would be niuce for the moon
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Dear Belovelife,
Exploit means (www.dictionary.com, American Heritage Dictionary)
1.to utilize, esp. for profit; turn to practical account
2.draw from; make good use of; "we must exploit the resources we are given wisely".
I used them in this way
I could not understand the idea of having silica content in plant cell wall would let them grow without atmosphere. Please explain.
since cell walls have scillica content in general
engineering a plant to have a much higher content would allow for
strenght in a non-atmoshere envyroment
although the plant "breathes" using cloroplasts
mabe it could be modified to expell the oxygen produced, inhale CO2
from the roots
as far as words
thank you for looking it up
it proves a point
but look up peace also
you'll see a difference
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ok
first make a boroscyllicate crystal
then thin film coat another piece with
cobalt
thus producing an array of a nano mold
then heat boro-crystal
press cobalt on 2 borocrystal sides
able to make a combined nano hold (2 pieces together)
then heat some load stone to liquid state
coat one piece (although you would have to get the
load stone to form in cyllinder spiral shapes in the nano pockets)
using magnetic field
then press the two pieces together
now these sheets could be placed in between 2 coils
and harness energy of minute magnetic fields (properties)
of the matter surrounding them (elemet isolated in a vacume)
although this is very complicated
and probly only possible in space
it should be an efficient power supply
for small electrical appliances
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but if you also formaulate this into a 3d architexture
then you can integrate a transistor into the core of the
spiral, and as data is processed ( on a nano scale )
then energy increases for the cicuit
so you could process the load stone in a O-g envyroment
allow the load stone spirals to float in 0-g
then build the 3d architexture for the cicuit
float that in o-g around the load stone/transistor
then use carbon-deposition to build structure (substate)
around the cicuit
then you have a self powering cicuit that is extremely advanced
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is there any ideas/comments about this?
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I'm very much thankful to the active members of the forum for giving a maximum nunber of replies than any other.Even though Nanotechnology is not one of topics In SGC Im sure they will not drop this project because it the technology going to revolutionize space transportation as well In years to come.
How are the time is up now to make the paper
please give your opinions regrding paper presentation..because i have to start doing it..also the members of our project.
i just saw a presentation on forming nano-nickle stuff
now the process they showed seemed ineffiecient
taking into consideration the effects that magnetism has on objects
basically they melted aluminum and nickle together to form a
material
then the squeezed it through a tube and had i think argon gas at the exit point
but the nano particles were not uniform at this point in the process
then the soaked it in another solution
different times gave different properties as well as adding different materials
now as you know we can even float water using a powerful enough magnet
this implies that everything is effected by a magnetic field
then if at the "pouring point" of the alloy process
if we introduced a tuned magnetic field
then we would give an artificial gravity to the nano particles
and making the particles more uniform
at the same time
now if the field was tuned ( really small accurate variations in the field)
we could place the aluminum in specific areas it would be easier to remove
and be more uniform in general
this could probly be applied to and nano teck
but might need some sort of field compensation due to irregularities in the magnetic field inherent in the materials being used
fo instance if you use iron
it will just stick to the magnet
is you magnetise it as it flows throught the spout
then have your reaction in the exit stage
then they would exit at a specific polar stage
therby making it able to be applied or "set" directly
or if the soaking process is neccisary
(like in the case of the example i saw)
then this could be done in a magnetic tube that has specific distance
to allow for correct dissolving and/or reaction neccisary
which of course would be easier in space
considering the fluctuations of the planet
plus with multiple situations similar to these you could add this to the printing process of
the circuit i stated earlier
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on the subject of nano teck
imagine taking the light and dispersing it using a pyramid
then you have access to all the frequencies
at the same time
in a "rainbow" format
thus allowing the individual frequencies to be " viewed"
at the same time in different spots
then as for data transmission
you would be able to do smoke signals of a sort with
ther different frequencies
and you would be able to condense these frequencies back into a single beam
then you could have more data transmission along the same pathe
using different frequencies of light
at the same time this idea may be able to revolutionize solar power
by the same token
say you took a collecter ( like a mgnefynig glass)
then you use a tryangle to spread the spectrum
then the problem of the materials getting in the way of the different frequencies
would be averted
and you could use a set of material to harness the spectrums
similar to the multi film teck
eccept in a row and column as opposed to layers
i think this would work well
although this format would be most efficient in a box
mabe even large skale solar collection centers
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titanium oxide and silver
i guess it prevents growth on fibers
very useful
but probly already used on the iss and
souyez and stuff eh
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could we build a can sat that can manufacture cnt's
this would prove the teck
if you had a strong magnetic field in a circular envyroment or a huge flat surface
then you could use the magnetic field to
a
make a path for the water to flow
then any dissolved particles in the water would also be stretched, or scewed
then you evaporate the water ( at nano levels really easy)
b
same process save the formation
use the big flat field to make a "nano-circuit-board)
then you have the extreme thickness control
and you can mabe even use this in a cnt type process that
would produce carbon-nano=boards
or you could have a formed magnetic field of pipeways with focused magnetic field
capabilities
then you could form the whole base of the stucture for the diamond microchip
using the fields in 0-g, have it as a tier system
then apply the mutiple magnetic fields to the chamber
then have the chip desighned so the different matirial properties alighn on the
patter of the printed circit
it sounds so easy
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as this links to the conversation
could we use this in conjunction with cnt formation processes in a nonconductive metallic (liquid) as a base , then allow the metal to freeze
at the same time injecting processing elements as the crystal is formed?
Hallo guys.
I am a new guy to your forum.I just want to share with you that this time is for the smallest.
-Look at physics universal secret were hoped to be unraveled by general theory of relativity(theory of gravity taht focuses on the mega scale)but it got stuck before it delivers the promise and now it is looking up to Quantum(theory on sub atomic interaction in the very very small scale).Now hopes are rising that quantum will deliver the product.
-Look at engineering, nations who have built and were able to build mega machineries and engineering tools used to control the economy of the world but now Nano technology is becoming the ultimte answer(hope) to most of humans demand to conquor.
The time has come when small replaces that idea of big.
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